Awful fabric is pilling everywhere
I've had the jacket for 10 months now so am able to write with reasonable experience. Within weeks the fabric started pilling at the collar, but now is very unsightly. I am also starting to feel the "nobbly bits". On top of that, the fabric now has evidence of pilling all over, and the more heavily used area such as elbows and forear... Read Morems look worse than the flat parts on the torso (I suspect that's why it started at the collar in the first place as there is constant contact with the wearer's neck). The fit is snug yet comfortable. To put this all into context: I've been a Patagonia customer since 1993, and about 60% of all my shirts & T-Shirts are from them over the years just are a fair few fleeces. For example, my 1995 Synchilla fleece is still going strong with no pilling at all. I'm now going to give this piece of pilling away to charity and will try their new Synchilla jacket in the hope that the fabric isn't as bad.
Even though I haven't had the opportunity to wear this since purchasing it (temps in the 90's) , I do have a quarter zip Better Sweater that i know is very warm and durable. i ordered this an actual size larger than i normally wear, in order to be able to layer under it. I plan on wearing this as my outerlayer this winter, providing it is... Read Moren't raining. always had amazing articles of clothing from Patagonia, and I'm certain this will be the same!
This was my first ever Patagonia product, thought it was worth the money so i gave it a try.... BOY did it send me down an addiction path with this company. This sweater is amazing. Beyond warm, pockets are perfect size, and breast pocket is big enough for all the new cell phones. You can easily double this sweater as a winter coat depending on wea... Read Morether. The zippers were made really well and i enjoy the loop, on the collar, for hanging on clothes hooks. The only bad thing is, that it's so warm, i can't wear it more. 10/10 would recommend to anyone!
Huge fan of Patagonia. But this piece does not live up to Patagonias reputation. The pilling is do bad people ask me whats wrong with my jacket. Tried the recommendation for removing the puffs and pill and in some places it left holes in the jacket. Sad because I have so many pieces from Patagonia that are superior in quality.
Hi Jeff! Thanks so much for leaving your feedback, and we're really sorry to hear about your troubles with removing the pills on your Better Sweater. Please note, your purchase is protected under our Ironclad Guarantee and you are welcome to initiate an online [return](https://www.patagonia.com/returns.html) at any time.
Great Daily Kick-around
This is my go-to for something to put on no matter where I'm going. Great fit, soft, subtle color. My only complaint is that the chest pocket zipper is shot and the main zipper is failing. Admittedly, I bought this in 2018, but I don't know how to replace zippers so it might be getting retired soon, unfortunately.
Great Jacket - Too Long for Some Reason
I'm 5'9" and always order large jackets/fleeces, etc. from Patagonia. Until this one, they fit perfectly. This sweater/jacket is unusually long and I can't figure out why. I had to check to make sure I didn't order a tall size but I didn't. It's just longer than normal. Otherwise the product is great. Unfortunatel... Read Morey, I plan to return it.
Bought a "Better sweater" in November of 2019. By the end of January 2020 it is pilling badly. And... the thought that I am releasing micro-sized bits of plastic into the environment every time I wash it is unbearable to me now. I veered off the track of natural fibers to purchase this product and really regret it. The pilling is so bad I... Read More can't wear it in front of clients and co-workers anymore, plus I'm polluting the environment every time I wash it. Never again.
Hi Nick, thanks for taking the time to write us a review! We're truly sorry to hear that your Better Sweater has pilled so badly after such little time. To prevent pilling we typically recommend washing the jacket on warm and laying it flat to dry. To remove pilling that has already occurred we suggest using a sweater stone which is a great tool that will help it to look new again. With that said, if this doesn't help you're welcome to [return](https://www.patagonia.com/returns.html#searchterm=return).
Happy with the full-length zipper
Happy with the full-length zipper version of this sweater. It is comfortable, the tight-knit fleece performs well, and I like the color pattern. I'm 5'10" 175 lbs and a Medium may have been better fitting (but the Large works fine, just a little long).
I purchased both the Better Sweater jacket and the 1/4 zip version. Both came on time and looked great out of the box. Both are very warm and feel substantial on, without being overly heavy. However, within the first week of owning (and wearing) both, the jacket started to pill like crazy, particularly on the chest and arms. I have tried to attach ... Read Morea picture, but not sure how easy it is to see given the jacket's color. Note that I had just been wearing it as a casual top layer for a couple of days and had not even put it through the wash yet. The really odd thing is that I noticed none of this pilling on the 1/4 zip version, even though I wore them about the same amount. Not too sure what could have accounted for this difference, but I am definitely a little disappointed given the price point and Patagonia's usual reputation for quality.
Hi Jackson! Thanks for your feedback, and we're sorry to hear about the pilling on your Better Sweater. I would recommend using a sweater shaver or sweater stone – these tools will remove the pilling and help your pullover to look brand new again. Of course, you are also welcome to initiate a [return](https://www.patagonia.com/returns.html#searchterm=return) on that item if you’d like.
Great overall but wish arms were longer
I like almost everything about this. It's quite warm, looks good, and is well made. It's geared towards casual, non-active uses since it's pretty heavy and doesn't breath too well. But for static use it's terrific. Just one nit - I'm 6'1", 175 lbs and a medium fits perfect except the sleeves are a bit short.... Read More If I tug on them they'll just barely reach to my wrist, and as soon as I start moving around they start to ride up a few inches on my arm. The large was too baggy for me, so I'm still on the fence about whether to keep it.
The *Almost* Perfect Sweater
This thing is awesome! Very comfortable/soft/warm. I’ve wanted one a long time and finally caved and got one after Christmas. I tend to struggle finding the perfect size no matter the kind of clothing, and that happened again here. I wish there were something between the large and medium. Medium fits too tight and a little short, but the sleeves ar... Read Moree just right. Large fits slightly big, a little long, and sleeves are too long and bunch up. Also a lot of material under the arms. I ended up going for the large because it was more comfortable - not a new issue here, being between sizes. It’s a reality I’ve grown used to regardless of the brand. For reference, I’m 6’2” and 170lb with a slim build.
Great Product, however what I noticed with the Better sweater as well as the Better Vest is the chest pocket's develop holes in them. It was easy to repair myself but it was annoying have small items (chapstick) getting stuck in the linings of the sweater. Other than that this is a great product that fits my frame well. Highly Recommend!
I love Patagonia but these sweaters didn't fit right. . I ordered two size L and they were different sizes. The XL wasn't big enough either. I'll return them for a refund. Thank you. Marti Willens
Hi Marti, thanks for taking the time to write us a review! We're really sorry to hear about the trouble you experienced with our sizing. We truly appreciate the feedback as it's crucial to improving products and fit for future seasons.
So warm. So brown.
I am really enjoying the "sweater." It feels a bit more like a jacket though. I am getting a lot of second looks from attractive people who look like they want to get to know me and my sweater jacket better. Sometimes I'll wear it open with no shirt on underneath just to tease the world. Sorry. Not sorry.
Truly the better sweater
Amazing casual or mid layer piece. Very soft and comfortable. Fit is slightly weird as it runs a little boxy in the bottom half but the sleeves are a bit tighter than normal. I fit in a medium pretty well except for the forearms so I went up to a Large and it works pretty well except I feel a litle bulky when it's paired underneath another jac... Read Moreket Very warm sweater for the weight. Pleasantly surprised walking the dog around in the winter with a long sleeve baselayer and this sweater. Personally too warm to wear at the office for extended periods of time but I tend to run hot. Definitely grabbing another of these in a different color. Great sweater!
Better Sweater=Best Sweater
I have several better sweaters, and I absolutely love them. The full-zip provides awesome temp control and they look classy enough to wear to your families christmas party and casual enough that you don't upset your aunt by "overdoing it this year." I love these things!
Sleeves are tight
I really really want to live these as I recently bought both New navy and Stonewash colors but the sleeves are really really tight for my arms. It feels great and keeps me warm when it is cold outside but lets the wind through. I purchased M size but maybe I should've gotten a L for better blood circulation on my arms.
Hi Justin! Thanks for your feedback - we're sorry to hear those sleeves were too tight for you! If you'd like to return or exchange it for a larger size, you are welcome to do so [here](https://www.patagonia.com/returns.html#searchterm=return). The exact garment measurements for the bicep width are as follows: Medium 9.25" / Large 9.87". This measurement is taken one inch down from the seam located at the armpit.
Better Sweater Jacket
This purchase provided my fourth Better Sweater -- 3 are full-zip sweaters and one a 1/4-zip pullover. I really enjoy these fleece sweaters in winter -- warm and with full zips are easy to regulate temperature when moving from outdoors to indoors. They remain looking nice longer than standard fleece, which tends to pill or wear quickly. Compared to... Read More Marmot, Columbia, and Mountain Hardwear fleece products that I own, these Patagonia Better Sweaters are more slim cut with slim arms (especially in the pullover). I wear a medium in all and find the Patagonia fit is comfortable but is slim.
A Patagonia Classic
For reference, I am 5' 11" 160 Lbs and wear a men's medium in everything Patagonia makes. The Better Sweater jacket is a Patagonia classic garment. On cold days, say 35 deg or so, I will layer my Better Sweater on top of a Fjord Flannel. This combination is perfect for running around town, errands to the grocery store, trips where th... Read Moreere are several stops in and out of the car. When the temperature rises, say to 45 deg and above, I will wear just a long or short sleeve t-shirt underneath. For me, the fit is perfect, not too tight nor too loose. Be advised, when your Better Sweater is new, it may feel a little tight. However, as you wear the jacket, the fleece will gradually pack down and the jacket will feel more relaxed in fit. Also, I prefer the heathered or mixed colourways(i.e. Nickel, Stonewash, Khaki) over the solids(Black, Navy, Green). The inevitable fabric piling that occurs over time is more pronounced, more obvious, on the solid colourways. Finally, I prefer this version(Better Sweater Jacket-full zip) over the 1/4 zip pullover because it is easier to put on, easier to layer over, and it has side hand-pockets.
Great Sweater. I want to wear it all the time!
I love the better sweater. I got my usual XL and it fits a little lose but looks good according to my wife. The large was a little too perfect fitting. The XL is a tad long on me, but I’m a short guy so that’s my problem. Shipping was bad and wasn’t Patagonia’s fault but the On Trac people were no help and my jacket came a week after it’s promise d... Read Moreate. Patagonia’s customer service was amazing and had a new jacket sent to me overnight. Can’t say enough about their customer service and great products.
This jacket is OK, but not all that impressive. I was expecting something either less bulky or warmer for the weight. For the price range, and fancy branding, I was actually expecting... a better sweater. It's not that. Obviously, you can buy wool and cashmere sweaters in the same price range, and they are warmer and comfier. As a jacket, bewa... Read Morere that it doesn't stand up to a little bit of wind. I have better sweaters, and I also have a better jacket. My use for this jacket will be an extra layer on very cold days (over a sweater, but under a coat) or just around the house. Don't get me wrong. It's fine. It's well-built and looks good. You'll probably wear it if you buy it, but it's being a bit overrated by other reviewers, and I would not recommend it, based on there being better options.
We appreciate your honest feedback on this. We always want to ensure you are satisfied and if you are not totally sold on this, please feel free to [send](https://www.patagonia.com/returns.html#searchterm=return) it back. Let us know if we can offer any [assistance](https://www.patagonia.com/shop/clothing-gear/).
Fit does not flatter
Am 6’ 195#. Broad shouldered- 44L suit jacket. The shoulders, chest and sleeves on the better sweater jacket are designed for folks with narrow shoulders, no chest, and skinny arms- or for people who like tight fitting clothes. So although I’d normally order an L, I went up to an XL to fit my upper body. The problem is the cut of this jacket is ver... Read Morey boxy—- so now there’s too much material at the waist. I’m shaped like a V and this jacket is designed for people shaped like a pear.
Hi Greg, we're sorry this was an odd fit for you. If you remain unsatisfied with it, please feel free to [return](https://www.patagonia.com/returns.html) it back to us as soon as possible. We're also always happy to email you any item's measurements chart so you can feel more confident about your next purchase.
As good as a sweater can be. Extremely comfortable.. few points tho.. the internal lining for the hands and chest pocket does create another pocket for the inside.. the right side is fine, but the left side could be done better.. Sleeve is on the small side.. guys with big arms do need to take note. Only one thing to make this better.. thumb hole... Read Mores!
My favorite item is my Better Sweater!
I wear this daily in the winter and love it! But my new one does not fit like the old one. The new one has sleeves that are not comfortable if i wear a long sleeve shirt. I bought one last year and the same thing. I'm not sure what you use as a pattern but it is not realistic for the average guy. My arms are average and this is NOT comfortable... Read More. I am disappointed with your usual spot on designs and customer responsiveness.
Hi Fred. We're sorry to hear the fit change isn't up to your satisfaction. Our designs are constantly being revised, and customer's feedback is one of the contributing factors to these changes. We hope that we won't disappoint you in the future. Thanks for your review!
The arms could be alittle
The arms could be alittle bit bigger. Not longer but roomier. I workout and have bulky biceps. Its feels too fitted. Also after one wash it shrinks. Maybe you can preshrink before selling them? Or just have another version for bulkier people. Not everybody has a slim model like figure.
New Design of Men’s Better Sweater has failed
My favorite lightweight jacket changed. I have owned 3 Better Sweater Jackets/vests and absolutely love them. They are a staple of my wardrobe during the winter months. Although this new edition of the Better Sweater Jacket does not work for me. The sleeves are cut way to narrow. I do not have Pop-eye forearms by any means. I blindly ordered the ja... Read Morecket because it has always worked for me. Now I have to wrestle my arms through the sleeves. I truly hope this design gets changed quickly.
Hi Jason! Thank you for your feedback! We're very sorry to hear that the sleeves are too narrow for you. If you would like to return your Better Sweater, you are welcome to do so [here](https://www.patagonia.com/returns.html#searchterm=return). In the meantime, I went ahead and passed your comments about the item revisions along to our design team for consideration.
Patagonia Better Seeater
I love the feel of this sweater but it balls up and looks ugly as sin . Shaved off pills several times ( 6 yrs old). My much older Pat. Fleece never pilled ! This one did almost immediately.
We're sorry to hear about the pilling issue you've been having with your Better Sweater. If you are not pleased with its performance, you are absolutely welcome to send it in to us for a [warranty returns evaluation](https://help.patagonia.com/s/article/Ironclad-Guarantee) under our Ironclad Guarantee.
Warm and reliable
I'm 5'10", 155lbs, and I bought the Small. It fits perfectly. Not something to layer over more than a thin single layer. If you want to wear it as more of a jacket, size up. I found it warmer than I expected, but not too thick or hot. Ideal as a mid-layer with coats/jackets or just a cozy top layer on those 50+ degree days.
Disappointed with price vs. material quality
Thinner material than expected. Doesn't stop our Chicago fall season wind. Fits tight with even tighter armpits. Will return it.
Hi Jeffery, thanks for taking the time to write us a review. We're really sorry to hear about the disappointment with the jacket. Feedback like this is crucial to improving products for future seasons so it's much appreciated!
Surprised comfort and warmth
I buy a lot of TNF and This was my first Patagonia purchase. My sons (19, 21) told me my jacket was cool. That was a first. The sweater jacket is very warm without bulk. The quality of the workmanship is a bit more (IMO) than TNF. The sleeves are snug. Compared to my other jackets but not to the annoying point. Would I buy this again and would I re... Read Morecommend this to a friend ... yes. Without hesitation. Pleasantly surprised with my online purchase. I wear it daily and on colder days I wear it as a base layer.
Comfy, cozy, but too big
I purchased this item in the same size as the Better Sweater 1/4 zip in an XS. I got this delivered recently, and it's much, much larger and doesn't fit as well as the 1/4 zip that I have in the same size. I had to return it as there isn't a size smaller than XS. :(
Best bet for the tropics
This is a beautiful looking - and fitting - piece of gear which has almost no insulating value whatsoever. It’s not just that it’s porous to the wind, like many pile garments - it’s just not warm. Someone else compared its warmth to that of a flannel shirt. I would say that would be a pretty skimpy flannel shirt. Too bad, because the design is grea... Read Moret.
Hi Steven, thanks for taking the time to write us a review! We're sorry to hear about the disappointment with the jacket. Your satisfaction is always guaranteed so you're welcome to [return](https://www.patagonia.com/returns.html).
Can’t go wrong with better sweaters. They’ve been proven. Sleeves are a bit slimmer in this model than some of my other Patagonia gear like the quilted snap sweater. I ordered a small and the length is a tad bit short (hits about mid pocket on my pants, ideally I’d like it to hit the bottom of the pocket). Small issues, otherwise I love it.
Not better - BEST sweater!
After having owned and loved this product for years, I have recently introduced my husband to it. He is SOLD! This is the perfect multi season sweater/jacket. Very comfortable, looks nice, washes well. Works well as a layer. Goes from skiing to the office. My husband is 6’4” with very long arms. Has a hard time finding brands with long enough sleev... Read Morees and not too wide and short in the body. Patagonia XL fits him perfectly! This is the second one of these we’ve bought - he wanted a second color!
Fits and looks great!
I bought this jacket for my husband and it fits and looks great. He’s a pretty fit guy 6’ tall, 205 lbs., broad shoulders and slim waist at 32”. I bought him a Large. He won’t be able to fit a very heavy sweater under the jacket, but a shirt or light sweater will be fine. I have one of these jackets in a women’s and I love it and I think he will to... Read Moreo!
Great Jacket but just didn’t like the fit.
Quality and look of the jacket are perfect, I mean, that’s why I bought it! But I really hoped it would have more of an athletic fit. Maybe if I planned on wearing a hoodie underneath? Had I been in-store I’d have never have bought it. I bought it online and hoped for the best. I don’t know if this Size L is indicative of all Patagonia fleeces b... Read Moreut I wish they’d have a slimmer cut.
I'm sorry to hear the fit wasn't what you were looking for. You are more than welcome to set up a return [here](https://www.patagonia.com/returns.html#searchterm=return).
Very nice and warm sweater
Only problem is that I will be returning it because it is too heavy and warm for where I live - southwest Florida. It’s well made as expected but I just can’t see getting enough use out of it. Thought it would be good lot take on trips when going to a colder climate and it would be but it’s a little too bulky to pack in my luggage.
The sleeves are built for someone with extremely long arms and I’m still confused that they came with a M sized sweater. Returning was not an option as the size and color was already sold out.
Hello Adrian! We are sorry to hear that you are disappointed with this item. Please note that you are always welcome to [return](https://www.patagonia.com/returns.html#searchterm=return) to a Patagonia owned retail store or send it in at any point for a refund or credit.
Incredibly comfortable but 0 wind protection
This is the PERFECT jacket to wear indoors if you are a little chilly or to layer with a wind breaker when you go outside. Only complaint is that other fleeces I own from Patagonia (synchilla) are all much better at breaking the wind. Would definitely recommend if you’re looking to layer this with other jackets.
Awesome product, awesome people, awesome service
It just doesn’t get any better than Patagonia. From the people to the products and everything in between they just do things right. The Patagonia Better Sweater has been my go to fleece for years now. So of course when it came time for our surgical trainee group to get branded fleeces, there wasn’t any other option in my mind. Already, just a week ... Read Moreafter receiving our fleeces, each resident has remarked on how many compliments they’ve received about our Adobe full zip Better Sweaters while taking care of patients in the hospital. Servers residents had changed their mind on sizing after our order arrived. The people at Patagonia made the exchange process incredibly easy. From beginning to end Patagonia is the best. Fine quality products, sourced consciously and worn with pride. Thank you!
Great casual sweater
Love these as a more dress up looking sweatshirt. The style gets lots of compliments (esp the heathered colors - I have grey & green) and the fit is perfect for me. Only qualm is the pilling after about a year or so of regular use. It doesn't get washed very often and isn't used as a technical piece by me so the abrasions aren't ... Read Moresignificant.
Poor in nearly every category.
I wanted...tried to like the Better Sweater, but just couldn't. Mainly, its just not comfortable. Putting on a lightweight puffy is like heaven in comparison. Its heavy, bulky [esp. for travel], doesn't regulate temperature well - either too hot or too cold, smells easily, loose fit in the body especially at waist with no cinch equals dra... Read Morefty, terribly tight arms that you cannot layer anything under, and worst of all, wind cuts through it like a knife through hot butter. Its probably best for lounging indoors, yet even then a nice [and much] cheaper casual hoodie is more comfortable and effective. I suggest a lightweight puffy as a jacket, else a merino wool sweater if you actually want a sweater.
We're sorry that you're disappointed with this fleece. Please feel free to [return](https://www.patagonia.com/returns.html) that back to us and let us know if you have any questions.
Overall great product. Would prefer
Overall great product. Would prefer to have a slim fit version for men, with more taper towards the waist. Sleeves are slightly long for me but workable. Any thought to a cotton/wool/natural fiber product only? Also would definitely benefit from one or two inside pockets! Thanks.
I don’t like the heathered material. The color wasn’t truly black and frays easily.
Hi Lucas. We're sorry to hear that you're disappointed with the material. Please feel free to send that back for a warranty [return](https://www.patagonia.com/returns.html) and contact our [Customer Service](https://www.patagonia.com/customer-service.html) team if you have any questions.
The Daily Driver
The better Sweater Jacket is my daily driver. It's the super comfortable medium warmth top that I can wear seamlessly inside my office and outside in the field, while being durable enough to take the beating of my on the go hands-on lifestyle, and formal enough I can walk into a business meeting and play the part. This top washes well, and sti... Read Morell looks good after two years of constant use and abuse. This top has the perfect cut - just slim enough to never get caught on anything but enough room to feel comfortable and fit inside a nano puff on brisk cold windy days or a shell and be covered in the worst of winter.
I hate this "jacket"
Better Sweater Fleece is worthless if you step outside. I find that the material is so porous that walking on a cool day is enough to let the breeze in and cool me down. Forget it if there is an actually breeze. If you doubt what I say, hold the material up to a light, and you will be amazed at all of the light that comes through. The material is a... Read More good insulating material underneath an outer layer, but if you are looking for something to put on on in cool weather to go for a walk or ride a bike, choose something else. Plus, it pills. I thought synchilla was not very good in the wind, but it was much better than this. I plan on trying to trade it in for credit if I ever get to one of the stores.
Cheap quality that I would expect to find at Target for 1/4 the price
My wife & I both bought these & they 'pill-up' so bad that she constantly has to use a 'clothes shaver' on them. She says the quality is no better than one of the big box stores. For the exorbitantly high prices you guys charge for your gear I'm very disappointed in the quality.
So far so good!
Just got my sweater at REI and I absolutely love it! I'm 5'7, 170 lbs using a size Medium. Love the look of it with a tshirt or a flannel underneath, and if its really cold i'll use my North Face rain jacket. Keeps me warm and looks great! I've been using it for a few days now, and I hope it lasts for awhile. All in all, I love ... Read Moreit!
Not For Me
I am 6'4", 40" waist, 230#, 37" sleeve length. I purchased the XXL. I am a tall guy with a thin to medium build (no beer gut). I can see why others had comments on the jacket length, sleeve width and ill fit. The jacket body is long and goes well below my waist. The body fit is ok, however the sleeves are narrow and somewhat dif... Read Moreficult to get on with an undershirt. The jacket is thin and the air passes right through on a breezy day. This jacket would be ok for a calm wind day and moderate temps of 50 degrees or above. If you wear a thin short or long sleeve polyester shirt, you may get the jacket on a little more easier. I wore a long sleeve thin merino wool shirt and it took some time to get the shirt and jacket adjusted with all the drag from opposing fabrics (wool and fleece). If my shirt had thumb holes the jacket may have gone on a little easier but I do not own any shirts with thumb holes. This jacket was not for me. I will not bother with returning and give this jacket to a family member or someone who needs a jacket.
Meant for tall and lanky
I'm 5' 9" with an athletic build. Jacket had a nice fit through the chest and biceps that allowed for an athletic build. The arm length was the issue. At 5' 9", my arms hang mid thigh. In other words, I have normal length arms yet the sleeves for this sweater are VERY long and come past my fingers by 4". Needless to sa... Read Morey, I had to return it as it looked very sloppy due to the length of the sleeves. Sleeves should stop at mid thumb when arms are at rest at your sides.
Nice jacket BUT too THIN
Hi, I just want to say I love Patagonia as a company, and would love to continue supporting its business. That said, I am utterly disappointed with the recent fit (in both men's and women's), as well as color choices (this season's colors seem dull and boring). I bought this better sweater for my husband to replace his older one, thi... Read Moreck, but PILLED like a disappointingly, A LOT. This looks the same but is significantly thinner in material. My husband didn't like the thin jacket, so I had to return it. I also bought one for myself, and the XXS used to fit me to the T. This year's XXS seems larger, and the arms are much longer than my older sweater. Please please please stop changing what's been working for people. If you want to introduce new sizes for everyone else, do it like J.Crew and Banana Republic and introduce Regular, Petite, and Long/Tall sizes and keep the old sizes as they were. I can NEVER know what my sizes are with Patagonia anymore so ordering online has been a pain in the rear because I've had to go to the store to return/exchange (which defeats the convenience of online shopping). XXS in regular nano puff and down sweater fits me but in the micro puff it is super tight around the hips, preventing me from properly zipping up the jacket. Please BRING BACK the cool, bright, happy colors! Thank you so much!
Great sweater, but runs large
This was my first better sweater and i fell in love with it immediately. It's very comfortable and warm. The only downside is that it runs a little on the large side. I'm 6'1" and normally wear a size large, but this sweater is a little baggier and longer than I'm used to.
Love it. Not so much in the wind
Just got my new Better Sweater. I appreciate the regular fit as it seems like all Patagonia products are slim fit. The XL fits me nicely. I like the color and the fabric and ordered a Sweater Stone from Amazon the same day as the sweater to keep up with the pulling that I have been warned is coming. The sweater is warm but the wind cuts right throu... Read Moregh it. I bought it as a light jacket or as a mid layer for use under my down coat in the super cold Sioux Falls day. Already getting complements on the look and style of the sweater. Love it. Hope it holds up well.
Love the looks, not the fit
I just got this and LOVE the looks and fabric, at least on the outside. Because the inside is fleece it is really, really difficult to put on as nothing will slide on a shirt-against-fleece setup. Also, the sleeves are somewhat tight from elbow to wrist which only multiplies that difficulty. Maybe because it's called "sweater" it is ... Read Moremeant to fit tight, just not my thing, a-la skinny-jeans.
Bought it in black, but almost more of a charcoal gray (which I actually really like). I’m a medium in everything and the medium in this jacket fits perfectly. I really love the way this thing fits, but be aware that wind does cut right through it. That said, it’s a great under layer or a cool fall day jacket that is crazy comfortable.
Warm,comfortable but has pilled substantially
This a great staple for your wardrobe. I have it in black,but it has pilled substantially even though it has only been lightly been worn. I would go for a different color. Will definitely keep you warm and is classic enough that you can wear it in business casual environments.
Fair Trade! Hurray!
This is my first Patagonia purchase and I'm happy wit it. I bought it in support of Fair Trade,and I'm glad Patagonia has made a move to support a Fair wage for the workers who make their,and our,clothing. One thing to be aware of with this sweater is that it does not provide warmth in windy conditions. It's best worn around the hous... Read Moree or on indoor shopping trips and similar situations.
This is an interesting garment that I really didnt know I needed,I got it as a gift and am very happy I did. It fits into that weather that you might just wear a hooded sweatshirt. Is also great for layering. Sizing is a bit on the runs large sizing as most of Patagonia's regular fit stuff is. I am 6'2" 215 and large fits me nice.
Personally do not care for this jacket
Bought this for my husband back in Sept. he has worn it just about every day since and it's a mess. I purchased the black so collects and show animal fur/hair and with wear has develped those pills . I wash about ever other week hoping to clean the look up but doesn't really help. I spend about 20 minutes after each wash to de lint it whi... Read Morele it's wet looks somewhat better but clean look only is temporary.
Misaligned interior panels
My original better sweater had interior pocket panels that really didn't affect the performance of the fabric. My second better sweater added an interior chest pocket panel that didn't breathe the same as the right side - it was funny to see a sweat patch on my left side. My final better sweater included a full left interior panel,and,a p... Read Moreartial right interior panel - i found this to be intolerable. How can anybody expect the fabric to function as described with this misaligned design. I've given up on this line and have moved to a competitor who understands how technical fabric ought to perform.
I absolutely love this jacket/sweater (swacket?). For casual wear and light activity it is the perfect weight and I wear it pretty much constantly - it is just so comfortable! I also wear it to the office and have received a surprising number of complements on it. If I had a complaint it's that the material under the arms is a little bunched u... Read Morep,but this is very minor - I'm a large in some dimensions and a medium in others so this does tend to happen. Overall it looks and feels great!
Love this sweater
I had coveted this sweater since seeing it on a friend earlier in the year and finally got around to buying it when I saw a deal. I've been buying outdoor gear for a very long time and have found a couple of items that what I would consider near-perfect. One is the Buff and now I'm adding this one to that list. I love this thing. It ain&#... Read Morex27;t perfect,but darn close. This sweater just oozes quality. It'll cover most conditions in Northern CA and is curently serving as my main commute jacket. I also plan on keeping this on my mandatory list of things to include on trips to Yosemite and other outdoor adventures. This is my third Patagonia product in two years and is a favorite by a long shot.
I purchased my first better sweater 5 or 6 years ago in a medium. It is certainly one of my favorite pieces for everyday use in the winter. I recently purchased another one,also in a medium.. The "new" medium,to my dislike,is definitely longer in the sleeves and waist. Unfortunately I took off the tags and threw it straight in the wash wh... Read Moreen it was delivered without trying it on first. It seems Patagonia's mediums these days are more on the larger side. I would say about 2-3 years ago I started noticing their size medium getting larger. I have run into this same issue with some of their other pieces. In the past,whether it was Patagonia or any other brand,I am a medium every time. Maybe a S when ordering Patagonia from now on. I'm 5'11" and 165 lbs
Warm and comfortable but quality questionable
I really enjoy the comfort and warmth that the Better Sweater provides but I question the quality. The pilling on this product is disappointing. I would also recommend Patagonia put some type of protective material on the collar so that those of us with a beard don't destroy it. Still a huge fan of Patagonia,please renew your focus on the smal... Read Morel details of your products.
Most favorite thing ever!
That was my brother in laws response. He wears it all the time and basically only takes it off to wash it. We live in Minnesota and he works outdoors and this sweater keeps you so warm. He hasn't purchased a single sweatshirt since we gifted him the Patagonia Better Sweater. He didn't think he needed any 'fancy' things but as he... Read More is in company of his second better sweater I think the quality and overall design of this sweater has made him a lifer.
Decline in quality
This is my second better sweater jacket and it appears that the materials that are currently being used are of a lesser quality than those of previous years. It's the small touches,such as cheaper zippers and a decrease in the thickness of the fleece. I'm still fairly happy with it,but wish they had maintained the level of quality they pr... Read Moreeviously attained.
Better sweater jacket: Did not fit well and
I first bought a M size but realizing it was too tight,decided to exchange it for an L size. The exchange went very smooth,but the problem is that I'm between sizes,and upon wearing the L size once (for less than 1hr on a cold day),I realized that it would not work out either. I called for an exchange for another item,but was told that since I... Read More had already worn it,the item could not be exchanged ... and would only be accepted at a reduced value,although I was prepared to buy a more expensive item that fit me better. I still have to try and see if I can get an exchange in their new marketplace,but unless I get a fair value for it,this will by my last Patagonia merchandise.
Nice looking but provides no warmth.
I'm probably being harsh as I live in an area still experiencing snowfall in early April but I purchased this as it looked nice. It arrived,fit well and looks nice; however,it provides no more warmth than a flannel shirt. A good sweater for high 50s at best.
Good looking,poor functionality
I bought this to use for Alpine skiing. It fits well and looks good. What I was looking for. The body is comfortable but long. But since the pockets go all the way to the bottom hem they interfere with functionality. When one bends over with a cell phone in a pocket the phone jabs one in the ribs. And the phone doesn't fit sideways in the pock... Read Moreet. In today's environment phones must always be considered in the design.
Good looking,good fit
This jacket has hit the spot for me with a good fit,effective pockets and adequate warmth for milder weather when worn alone. I used it under a shell for skiing and found that the collar does not seal out wind in that application. It works well on warmer days. It's my new favorite "town jacket" for mild evenings here in the mountains... Read More at 8000 ft..
Not functional. Can't get arms through the sleeves
I bought this a week ago to work at work over my drsss shirt when the office gets cold but the inside of the sleeve lining grips my shirt sleeves so I can't slip my hands though the sleeves easily and makes the product dysfunctional. This same problem happens with other shirts of mine so i will be returning this product.
Warm sweater for those cold days...
Thru the years that I have been on this earth; there has been days that I needed the better sweater. A sweatshirt just doesn't cut it when you are cold. The better sweater was the right fit. True to size,the fleece felt warm when I need it too. The craftsmanship of the sweater was spot on. I have even past on old better sweater that was a size... Read More too large to a friend. He was happy to received it. He knew what the name Patagonia meant.
Great for everyday use
I haven't owned a fleece in years. Really just wanted a sweater I didn't really have to worry about stretching and wear and tear. I got an extra small for a tight fit and it's stretched ever-so-slightly to break in and feel comfortable and nice and warm. This thing is pretty great.
Nice combination of relatively light weight with warmth. Not too warm,but just right inside when parka,vest,or jacket is too much but bare shirtsleeves is too cold. Also pleased it's one of the few things in the catalog that comes 3XL. You should make more items in this size for us Big guys? Also great for layering.
Great jacket -- Border Collie hair MAGNET
My wife bought this for me for Christmas. I'm tall and love the fit. Patagonia is one of the few brands I buy that has long enough sleeves for someone like me. I love the look and it's very warm. Only problem is that dog hair sticks to it like on other piece of clothing I have. It is so clingy to the hair that getting it so I can walk out... Read More of the house with it on requires 10 minutes and half a roll of lint remover roller. It's quite impressive,some sort of static bond. I have yet to wash it,but maybe that will help. Anyway,for now I wear it at home mostly,and will live with it because I can't part with either the jacket or the dog.
I finally didn't have to compromise style for fit. I ordered this fleece in a 3XL and it fits perfectly and allows a little extra room for a thicker shirt or a light sweater to be worn under it. Thanks Patagonia for offering such a functional item of clothing in a big guy's size!
Extreme pilling occuring
I love these better sweaters!! I have four of them,including one that I bought back in 2009 and it is still going strong. However,one of them,which I haven't washed too many times,has started to pill up something fierce. I'm not washing it in any different way from my others,but it's getting to the point where it's almost unwear... Read Moreable. Anyway,I've had the one for almost eight years,and washed it hundreds of times with no problems,but I'm extremely disappointed that my newest one is pilling up so badly. Of note,for sizing,I'm 5'10" and 165 pounds and a small fits perfectly on me. I also have a couple mediums,which also fit fine,but sometimes I like wearing the small for a more snug fit.
Higher collar and chest pocket?
I own several better sweater jackets and just recently purchased a new one and noticed it had a small pocket on the chest and a higher collar then the older better sweaters I've bought. I don't really like the higher collar or the small pocket. Wish they would've left it alone.
Not a fan
Email asking for a review so here goes....received as a gift,size medium which is what I normally wear. I'm a slim 5'10. Sleeves are long and snug,also jacket is kind of long for my taste. I'd maybe wear it as a base layer over a t-shirt or mock tee under a ski shell. To confining for me (sleeves too tight ) to wear over a regular lo... Read Moreng sleeve shirt.
I bought this for my dad as a Christmas gift in addition to buying him the Men's Better Vest which he already owns and loves. This jacket did not disappoint! My dad is a fisherman,a contractor and a business owner so he's up and out early most cold mornings while most people are still in bed so he needed something warm and functional and ... Read Morethis jacket has been spot on! In fact,I received a special coupon offer after the holiday season so I splurged and bought him another color so he'd have two! The added bonus for him is that it has a pocket near his chest so he pops his cell phone in there which he loves. The vest also offers this feature which is yet another reason why these have been great staples for my dad. Thanks so much! Michele
Mens better sweater jacket
I bought this for a light winter jacket and I was thrilled. It is very comfortable and fashionable at the same time. I find it to be very warm as well. If you are looking for something that is going to keep you warm in thw winter look no further and purchase this jacket. I am from Minnesota and the winters here can be extreme the jacket would not h... Read Moreold up against negative temps that well but it would be fine for a quick walk after it just snowed or going to the store or whatever in the winter.
After wearing this jacket only a few times I noticed the sleeves were pilling up. About a month later,after only having washed it twice,it looked like a cheap dishrag that had been used for years. I managed to get it back to a presentable order by using my razor to shave it. I'm really disappointed that I paid so much for a piece that fell apa... Read Morert so quickly and requires constant upkeep. Not something I would expect from a company geared towards rugged sports and lifestyle.
I bought this to replace a north face windwall jacket. It is an excellent layer under a vest or lightweight jacket. It keeps me very warm. I less thrilled about its durability. I returned my initial purchase as it began to "pill" immediately after wash number one. After a couple washes with my replacement,I find the issue of "pillin... Read Moreg" is unresolved. Maybe a different fabric,or a different weave could resolve the issue.
Not what I expected
The quality is certainly there. But the color was not at all what I expected from the image online. Depends on your build...but I found the shoulders tight and I'm not very broad in the shoulders. 5' 11" 180lbs... ordered a large. The middle section is bigger than I expected too. Kind of baggy.
This jacket is good looking and the fabric and tailoring seem to be very good. I am disappointed that the "Navy" color is not Navy,but more like a stonewashed denim. Another disappointment is that the sleeves are too tight,so that putting the jacket on over shirt sleeves is quite difficult.
Fashionable & Warm
I bought this item a month ago before traveling to the Maritimes. During our 3 weeks there I wore this sweater constantly. It warm incredibly warm yet breathable. I enjoyed it and raved about it so much that my wife bought a red one for herself while we were in Halifax! Now we're both toasty and good lookin' at the same time!
Dad's first Patagonia
Bought this for my 84 year old Dad (6'4",200 lbs) and he loves it! It delivers a smashing look as well as being his new very favorite piece of clothing. He says,"It's so light you don't even know you have it on." Bought a L and it fits like it was custom-made (love the long sleeve length).
I wear it every day
I really like this jacket. I use it almost every day. Have used it hiking/camping in the Sierras,around town,and after I get out of the ocean at night. It is warm and durable and low maintenance. Super comfortable too. I have read the other reviews,and for me the longer arms and bottom are perfect. I have tried previous years better sweaters on and... Read More never purchased because they were too short and if I sized up they were too big and boxy. This one is a perfect design and fit for me. I am 6'2" 190 lbs. The large is a perfect fit- not too tight,not too loose. I would say just size down if you are shorter.
Anytime Wear,except for snorkeling.
This fleece is Awesome! A comfortably,snug fit that keeps the core warm from hips to the top of the neck if needed. Zipper closing pockets that don't scratch your skin. A great design and stylish fabrication plus my wife says I look hot in it! I wear it all the time!
Nice jacket,one flaw
This is a really nice jacket,but as others have mentioned,the sleeves are much too long. The jacket body fits me well,but the sleeves are designed for real knuckle-draggers. The people at the store said it was designed for active wear,and the sleeves had to have enough length so they wouldn't pull up in use. There is no way I could reach far e... Read Morenough to hit the maximum length of those sleeves. My Nano-puff has shorter sleeves than this one. Fortunately,a local tailor was able to shorten them enough to make the jacket wearable.
Still an essential
I have had several better sweaters over the years, and this year's version is more "performance" oriented than in the past. All around, it is definitely a must-have. You can wear it around town as well as for short walks in the forest on a cold morning. When I say "performance" oriented, I mean that the collar is now highe... Read Morer, the arms are a bit tighter, and the sleeves are longer compared to better sweaters I have had from years past. To be honest I preferred this garment when it was more of a casual design. Yes, I wear this garment when walking around, but when I am doing something strenuous like hiking or skiing, I wouldn't grab this sweater. The material is too thick. Plus, its such a nice design, I wouldn't want to get it dirty. I grab a synchilla pullover or something like that. In my humble opinion, I think they should go back to the more casual design. But that is splitting hairs. Overall, the better sweater is a great design and the first thing you throw in your bag for the weekend.
Change is not always good
Don't understand why you changed the way this is made. Bought an XL which is the same size I bought of the better sweater in past years. The sleeves and length on this new version is way too long. The feel is not there either as it feels like cheaper material. Don't start doing like other companies please and sacrifice the product you mak... Read Moree just to make a few more bucks!!!!! I buy your products because of the quality and if you start to change it that's not good!!
Why change something that ain't broke?
Just upgraded to this from a 2014 Better Sweater. Not particularly satisfied with this 2015 model because of a number of aforementioned reasons. The 2015 Better Sweater overall feels boxier,has longer and wider sleeves,and is made of a thinner material than the 2014 models. Also,it's missing the premium nylon facing on the zipper track and the... Read More new chest pocket I think that it's still a nice jacket,but its cutbacks in quality this year don't differentiate itself from other products as a clearly superior option anymore. I honestly think that the 2014 model was perfect in terms of size and warmth and that if the 2015 Better Sweater had just been the 2014 model with the extra chest pocket,it would've been a perfectly solid upgrade. I'll still recommend this jacket for its guaranteed Patagonia quality but am hoping that the 2016 model goes back to the previous superior design and quality that I expect of Patagonia.
Great weight for SoCal winters
Based on earlier reviews,I ordered a size down for my husband,who generally wears a Large in everything. The Medium was much,much too small,and had to be exchanged. The Large fit is a bit slimmer through the torso than other fleeces he owns,but the sleeves were not too long - they were perfect for his 34/35 shirt sleeve. I gave this jacket to my hu... Read Moresband for Christmas,and he has been wearing it like a second skin,even sleeping in it on occasion,so perhaps that's not a typical wear pattern...my only complaint is that it is pilling,especially on the front,and it's only been washed 2 times. Again,this could be from overuse,but,at this price point,I would expect almost no pilling even with extreme use. It's a great-fitting,stylish,practical,and comfortable jacket. I would have given the jacket 5 stars,if not for the pilling.
Slipping on the detail quality
I just purchased a third "better sweater" and was surprised to see that the quality had slipped with the recent version but the price had not changed. I have two older versions of both the jacket and vest. The details like the nylon facing on the zipper closure and piping on the collar are gone. It is the little things like this that make... Read More people feel they have purchased a quality product that will last and worthy of the higher price point of Patagonia products. If we just wanted a basic fleece jacket, several of the brands manufactured in China will fit the bill and at a savings. Please maintain the quality and we will all keep coming back for your fine products.
The best Better Sweater design yet. Just received my 2nd color. The full zip version is versatile enough for any demand. I can wear it under a shell for warmth on the slopes or as outerwear in town. Sizing is spot on perfect. It's not as boxy as previous models. You can tell this one is for the more athletic types - slimmer in the sides and wa... Read Moreist with just the right length in the sleeves. I'm 6'1 with slim to average build and the medium fits like a glove. All of the quality and durability you'd expect from Patagonia. Hope it stays consistent for years to come.
I see a lot of people are complaining about the sizing of the latest Better Sweater Jacket but I didn't have any issues. I looked at all the colors online and when I got to the store tried on the color I wanted in the size I thought would fit me best and it was a perfect fit. I got the XL, I'm 6'5" and 220 lbs. This is my first ... Read MoreBetter Sweater product so I can't speak in regards to the quality of past editions vs. this one, but I love the jacket and feel the quality is superior to similar fleece jackets in the market.
I vetted this product with several friends and acquaintances as well as read other reviews and the 2015 Better Sweater is not of the same quality, as a whole, as earlier models. The sizing was off as I tried on a friend's Large that fit perfect and when I received my order it was long in the torso and sleeves (almost like a 40L instead of a 40... Read MoreR). The weight was off as well with the new model being lighter and could tell that material was of lesser quality than previous models.
What's going on at Patagonia regarding fit/sizing?
Hi everyone. I'm a longtime Patagonia wearer. Male,5'8",160lbs,fit build,mid-40s. Something has gone off the rails,and not in a good way,in the design department of late (2015-16 Winter). Fleece jackets and 1/4 zips no longer seem to fit probably or comfortably. Either they are too tight in the body (small for me) or way too long in ... Read Morethe sleeve (medium - I'm a 33" sleeve). I write this because I see that I am not alone thanks to other postings stating similar issues/concerns. I had to send back both the Better Sweater Full Zip (small
bitter pills to swallow
I want to love this fleece. And I did for several months. Its super comfortable and really really warm. I've worn it from 50 degree weather down to freezing and it's plenty warm (not super good against the wind though). The big issue is that its pilling. LIKE c r a z y. Functionally, it still works. But now it looks like a tattered 20 yea... Read Morer old fleece and its barely 6 months used. And I've only been wearing it around town to and from work. I can't imagine how bad it would look after putting this thing through the ringer. Super disappointing especially since a large part of the reason I got this fleece is because it looks so good. Not the case anymore and its a bummer.
I really like the jacket. It's comfortable and warm, great as a sweater or midlayer. There is a big issue that may explain some of the other comments. The sizing is inconsistent from one sweater to another of a given size. The sleeves are generally tight and long, but some more than others. Same applies to torso fit. I tried on several jacket... Read Mores in the same Patagonia branded store, same colour, and experienced this variation. Eventually I found one that worked to my satisfaction. It seems to be a quality control issue.
Great trading desk fleece
I work as a sales analyst on Wall Street and this really helps me fit in with the traders on my desk. Once I saw that a trader bought one, I went out right away and got one for myself. I even got the same color as him (gray)! I thought about buying another color but it wasn't worth the risk. I am really happy with my purchase. If I could give... Read More it six stars, I would.
Sizing is off!
I've been a big fan of the Better Sweater for years and decided to purchase a new one this season and to my disappointment the sizing is way off from previous seasons. I'm 5'10 about 165 lbs and typical wear a Medium in Patagonia. This sweater model's arms are about 1/4 inch longer than my old one and the fit is slightly boxier.... Read More The fit in the waist and body are ok but I'm not quite sure why the measurements for the sleeve length increased. Keep that in mind when purchasing.
What can I say... love it!
I absolutely love this jacket from the material to the design. The pockets make sense as much as I hate to carry a cell phone the front chest pocket makes it easy to access when the kids are calling. I have had no issues with size and like to layer because of constantly changing temperatures and conditions in the mountains. I ware this jacket for e... Read Moreverything work, pleasure and sport it is the first one I grab on the way out the door. I must say the better sweater material is not only warm but very cozy. It is not a wind or rain shell but let's be honest it was not designed for that. Getting ready to get another may have worn out the zipper but not surprised it has been skiing, under my truck working on drive shafts and pawed on by two high energy pups. Five plus years of heavy use got my money's worth and then some.
Great jacket; normal Patagonia sizing
These Better Sweater jackets and pullovers are the best. They are warm, good-looking and well put together. They may fit more trimly than similar products from other manufacturers, but the fit is not tight or constricting if you know how Patagonia products are sized and buy accordingly. The fit in the Better Sweater is what I have come to expect an... Read Mored count on from Patagonia. I am 5'11" 175# and wear a 15 1/2 34-35 dress shirt. My arms are a bit long for my height so a medium in some shirts and jackets may fit me well in the chest and shoulders but be too short in the sleeves . The Better Sweater jacket in medium fits me perfectly in the body -- trim, but not tight, and the sleeves fit me perfectly. The trim fit makes it just right for layering under a Nano-Puff or Down Sweater. Couldn't be happier.
As other reviews have mentioned, the arms are longer. Also, unlike most Patagonia jackets, this one has a trim to it. So instead of the massive waste of fabric meant for fat American bellies, the larger sizes broaden the shoulders and waist proportionately. The fabric is thick, durable, and extremely comfortable. Great coat all around.
Arm length and sizing just wrong.
I tried a size L, my usual size, on in a store. Too tight all over and the sleeve length was ridiculously long. I could possibly live with that if the cuffs had some kind of elastic or Velcro closures but they don't. The cut of this product was not well thought out. So....it didn't go home with me.
Quality still good
Not sure what the fuss about sizing is, the jacket is true to size. This 2015 version is a little longer than my 2011 better sweater, but the extra length is welcomed as I'm 6'3". The sleeve length is pretty much the same My only complaints with the jacket is that it feels lighter (and less warm), and the zippers feel a lot cheaper.... Read More I love the strong feel of the zippers on my older better sweater, and the new ones feel almost like plastic or something. Anyway, still happy with this sweater, it's extremely comfortable
Sizing is one size too large
Unfortunately this sweater is one size too large. I am 6'2" and pretty slim and I am almost always a medium so I got the medium but it's at least one size too big. Just about to order a small so hopefully that one does the trick. I would recommend going to a store to try on before buying. That's my experience, hope it helps you ... Read Moreout with sizing!
Sleeves Absurdly Long
I typically wear shirts with 33" arms. I bought a Medium and the sleeves are about 4" too long. Almost completely cover my hands. Also, the length of this jacket could stand to be shortened by a couple inches. I'm 5'-11" and this jacket feels like it was designed for a much taller person...with unnaturally long arms. Whoeve... Read Morer at Patagonia signs off on sizing needs to be re-evaluated. It's really too bad because the overall style of the jacket is great.
Had high hopes, sizing failed me
Overall build and quality of the jacket is the best out there - but the sizing is completely off. Ordered down a size and still sleeve length and jacket length was too long. Traditionally wear the same size in all other items by Patagonia, but for some reason the sizing is completely off with this product. Looks like many others have had this same ... Read Morecomplaint, hopefully Patagonia is paying attention to the reviews and will address this sizing issue in a product update.
To chime with others: the sizing is strange. I have a large Better Sweater vest. Fits great. But the jacket version? A full 3-4 inches longer in the torso. Arms gorilla-length. Tried a medium. No luck. Too tight. It's as if the large was mislabeled since that vest version of the large fits fine.
So Far ,So Good!
I recently bought this to "update" a simple Synchilla Full-Zip, that was an excellent piece, and what a treat this is. The red color looks great, the fit (on a smaller build) is spot on, though the sleeves are a little long on my short arms. I have not had it too much, nor have I put it too lot's of abuse, but take that for what you ... Read Morewill. If there were anything I would say, it would be that the wind rips through pretty badly, though any sweater/fleece would experience the same thing. Great for going to the market, walking the dog on a cool day, sitting in cold offices, airplanes, or classrooms, sightseeing, and hanging out around the house. I probably wouldn't hike in it, but it hasn't gotten cold enough yet to make that call.
Good jacket but pilling. Size is goofy.
I may have an older model but I'm looking to get a new version and wanted to pass on my feedback. I'm 5'11", 190lb, muscular chest, short torso w/ crazy long legs. 17" x 34" slim / tailored dress shirt. My main issue is w/ the sizing. Large capilene crews are way too short. My Large R1 pullover doesn't even make i... Read Moret to my waist. I bought a Large Better Sweater and felt like a kid. The medium fits me much better. Guessing your correct size w/out trying on first is like shooting from the hip. I'm a Large in every other brand, regardless if it's for active or casual duty. On another note, the jacket is pilling quite a bit. I often wear it over scrubs in the cooler temps and then layer it in the winter. Regardless of the issues I still really like the item. I like the warranty, I like the environmental stance, etc. I still have products from 20 years ago and those that didn't last were replaced. I'll still buy your gear but would really like to see the sizing streamlined regardless of manufacturing facility, intended fit (slim vs regular), and intended usage.
Light, Warm and Oddly Sized
I like this sweater a lot. It's light, yet very warm. I purchased it to wear at home and work during those cool autumn days. I really like the material and workmanship that is typical of the Patagonia brand. The only complaint has to do with sizing. I'm 5'10" and 196lbs and I had originally purchased a size large. However, upon ... Read Moretrying it on I found the sleeves were a few inches too long and the section around my torso was very loose. I mailed the item back and ordered a medium. The medium fit just fine.
Works for me
It's like a sweater only better, just as the name says. Still wearing my original one, after several years, I would say it holds up very well. I personally have not had a problem with fabric pilling. As one reviewer had mentioned. I hope this doesn't happen cuz I love my better sweater jacket. I was grateful to have this jacket while trav... Read Moreeling last fall up in Vermont
I own a Better Sweater from last year (2014) in size medium. I am 5'11" and 170 lbs. I just tried on the new version of the Better Sweater with the added Napoleon pocket in size medium. Unfortunately, the sleeve length is now two or more inches longer and covered half of my hand whereas the old version fit me perfectly. Too bad!
hate to be a pill...
Surprised to see that Patagonia has deleted old reviews of this product! I wrote last year that the Better Sweater Jacket I had was a nice fit, comfortable wear and satisfactorily warm BUT the fabric pills something fierce! After just a few months of casual use -- mostly indoors! -- the front and arms looked awful from pilling. I liked to wear the ... Read Moregarment shopping but it got so bad (appearance-wise) that I was embarrassed to wear it out! Patagonia offered to take it back and refund my money, which I did. I liked the item a lot but it just is NOT durable in any sense of the term.
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